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September 19, 2008

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Any chance that you'll post teams 11-30 to you blog for those of us who can't open the spreadsheet?

Very nice work, Howard! But it's an exercise in futility, I'm afraid. I can't see CONCACAF giving more spots to Costa Rica at the expense of the US. The money is in MLF and MLS.

PhantomToolbooth: I just uploaded an Excel version of my spreadsheet. I can try to upload the teams from 11-30 depending on how much of a pain it ends up becoming. I had to write in the top 10 teams by hand because a cut-and-paste operation wreaked havoc on the formatting.

Edgar, you hit on a very good point. There are too many financial considerations to allow MLS to have less than four slots in the Champions League. CONCACAF's definitely not the only confederation that doesn't allocate slots on a strictly sporting basis -- Copa Libertadores operates the same way. I proposed these formulae because I wanted to see what a CONCACAF coefficient would look like and how it might be applied. I think CONCACAF would take a look at it and put it on the shelf.

What money? Almost no one showed up in the preliminary rounds. Besides, MLS is still losing money to this day.

More importantly, many view this tournament as a joke because it is quite obvious that it is designed to be a SuperLiga with other teams sprinkled in it. There is no merit and we clearly deserved it. We are only 2nd to Mexico in CONCACAF Club achievements and we have had 5 finalists since 2002. How many finalists has USA had despite the apparent favoritism to awards them automatic spots in the CCC?

If Costa Rica doesn't get the 3 spots we deserve next year, we should just not enter this crap tournaments at all and if they make us, we simply will send F teams. There is no sense in traveling thousands of miles just so CONCACAF can tell the referees to kick our clubs out because MLS & MFL is not winning. I can handle losses. Pachuca beat us fair and square this year. Robbing is one thing. CONCACAF tried doing so in 2004 when Saprissa & Alajuelense played Chicago & Monterrey respectively. That time we managed to beat the referees.

The same with Saprissa vs Monterrey & UNAM Pumas. Once again, we managed to beat the referees.

The same in 2006. This time, the referees beat us.

If CONCACAF is so focused on having a south of the border final every time, STOP FORCING US TO ATTEND! We can simply focus on our league and making trips to South America for friendlies.

Our 2 clubs have had better performances in this CCL then the 4 MLS clubs so far. As a matter of fact, MLS has yet to win a game. Next year, CONCACAF better make it Mexico 4, Costa Rica 3, MLS 3, etc etc.

We are getting tired of this BS.

Why not just use the same formula that Uefa uses? duh. Here are the rankings from CCL to date using that formula.

CAN 8
MEX 4.5
PAN 4.5
HON 4.5
CAR 3
CRC 2.5
SLV 1.5
USA 1.25
GUA 1
BLZ 0
NCA 0

Impact De Montreal 10.667
Cruz Azul 7.5
Marathon 7.5
Pumas 7.5
Tauro FC 7.5
PR Islanders 7
Deportivo Saprissa 5.834
Atlante 5.5
Santos Laguna 5.5
Olympia 4.5
San Francisco FC 4.5
Houston Dynamo 4.417
Joe Public 4
Luis Angel Firpo 3.5
Club Municipial 2.33
DC United 1.417
Harbor View FC 1
Alajuelense 0.834
Isidro Metapan 0.5
Chivas USA 0.417
NE Revolution 0.417
Deportivo Jalapa 0.333
Hankook Verdes 0
Real Esteli 0

Please read my first post on the issue: http://www.hexagonalblog.com/2008/09/developing-concacaf-clubcountry-coefficients.html


If you read it, you will find that I did indeed use the UEFA coefficient formula, but divided the points gained in the preliminary competitions (UNCAF, CFU) by 4 since the representatives from USA and Mexico received byes to the final eight of the old Champions' Cup and didn't have to play a preliminary round.

I haven't done calculations for this year's Champions League, but the formula will be identical to UEFA's as USA and Mexico representatives now play a preliminary round.

I haven't worked through all of your numbers, but just from inspection your Canada coefficient is incorrect, which means that your Impact de Montreal coefficient is incorrect.

Any updates?

With MLS representing both CAN and USA how is that factored into the national coeffecients? MLS could have 5 teams in the tourney if TFC wasn't so busy losing to Montreal andd Vancouver that is.

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Hexagonal 2009 Table


  • G Pts
    GD
    Costa Rica
    5
    12
    +4
    USA
    5
    10
    +4
    Honduras
    5
    7
    0
    Mexico
    5
    6
    -2
    El Salvador
    5
    5
    -1
    T&T
    5
    2
    -5

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